tv Special Report With Bret Baier FOX News April 13, 2026 3:00pm-4:00pm PDT
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>> al sharpton says dei is great. >> oh, okay, if he says great, it's great. >> oh my gosh. >> jesse: harold? >> i like reverend sharpton. o'reilly one back-to-back masters. something only tiger and jack and nick have been able to do. congrats. >> emily: rescuing fishing line. >> jesse: wow. we almost have time for tom. >> tom: ted baxter that was his name. ted baxter. [laughter] >> jesse: all right. ted. have great night. >> bret: ted baxter. good poll there. >> emily: nailed it. >> bret: good evening. i'm bret baier. breaking tonight, a global game of chicken with much of the world's energy needs at stake. president trump has instituted a nikki haley blockade of all
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iranian ports after the collapse of peace talks in islamabad, pakistan. we will have an exclusive conversation with vice president jd vance who led the american diplomatic team in just a few moments. but, first, here are some other headlines tonight. california democratic congressman eric swalwell is resigning from congress. this comes hours after the house ethics committee launched an investigation into sexual misconduct claims against him. those accusations led swalwell to abandon his bid to be california governor. we will have a full report shortly. pope leo is pushing back against president trump over comments made sunday. the u.s. leader saying he does not think the pope is doing a very good job and called the pope a liberal, catering to the radical left. the pope told reporters today the vatican's appeals for peace and reconciliation are rooted in the gospel and that he does not fear the trump administration. this afternoon president trump said he would not apologize for his post or for another post of an ai picture many took to be a
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depiction of president trump as jesus optimism about the global economy. the dow surged, the s&p 500 finished ahead 69. the nasdaq jumped 281. we bore 8 hours into the u.s. blockade of the iranian i can't be ports. president trump is trying to force iran to open the strait of hormuz completely. and to agree to u.s. conditions for a permanent ceasefire. we begin went to senior national correspondent rich edson live on the north lawn of the white house. good evening, rich. >> rich: good evening, bret. president trump says the united states now cross access to iran's ports strait of hormuz and after failed negotiations this weekend, the president says the iranians are looking to talk again. >> we have been called, this morning, by the right people, the appropriate people, and they want to work a deal. >> president trump claimed this latest iranian outreach just a few hours after the united states followed through on its threat to blockade the strait of hormuz. this morning, the president
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wrote, quote: warning, if any of these ships come anywhere close to our blockade, they will be immediately eliminated. using the same system of kill that we use against the drug dealers on boats at sea. it is quick and brutal. in response, iran has threatened all ports of american allies in the persian gulf and the gulf of oman. for the past six weeks, iran has largely halted international traffic through the strait, granting exceptions to countries considered allies and have paid a significant toll. the president says it's now time for the townhouse block iranian trade. >> we can't let a country blackmail or extort the world. because that's what they're doing. they're really barack mailing the world. we're not going to let that happen. >> tracking data show five vessels cross the strait today likely before the blockade began. two began course before the start. tankers are headed to the u.s. to load up with oil and 120 empty tankers appear to be
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sailing here. >> we have seen more u.s. exports of energy product go to asia in particular. we can't take this too far because the whole point of our energy independence is that we have enough supplies. and, you don't want to divert too many of those supplies abroad. >> president said the u.s. military will work with allies to block traffic in the strait, though he says the u.s. really has no need for the help. the u.k. says it's not supporting the blockade. french president emmanuel macron posted about a strictly defensive mission saying, quote in the coming days, together with the united kingdom. we will organize a conference with those countries prepared to contributed alongside us to a peaceful multi-national mission aimed at restoring freedom of navigation in the strait. >> senior pakistani government official says pakistan and other countries are pushing the united states and iran back to the negotiating table. and that they are optimistic about the prospect of renewed discussions. brett? >> bret: rich edson live on the
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north lawn. rich, thanks. >> the bad news is that we have not reached an agreement, and i think that's bad news for iran, much more than it's bad news for the united states of america. we have made very clear what our red lines are, what things we are willing to accommodate them on and what things we are not willing to accommodate them on. we have made that as clear as we possibly could. and they have chosen not to accept our terms. >> bret: will l. [no audio] >> bret: okay. we're having some technical difficulties right there with -- we are joined by vice president jd vance in just a moment. talking about both the negotiations over iran and islamabad over the weekend as well as the vote in -- in hungary for viktor orban that
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the vice president campaigned on and talking about the controversy over the president and his comments about -- about the pope. while we wait for that, and work out -- let's listen in to the vice president of the united states. >> the bad news is that we have not reached an agreement, and i think that's bad news for iran much more than it's bad news forth united states of america. we have made very clear what our red lines are what things we are willing to accommodate them on and what things we are not willing to accommodate on. we have made that as clear as we possibly could. they have chosen not to accept our terms. >> bret: let's talk about the iran negotiations and maybe what went wrong in islamabad. joining us now vice president jd vance. mr. vice president, thanks for the time. >> thank you. >> bret: what happened and where do we go from here. >> i would first say, bret, i
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don't think things went wrong a lot went right. a lot of progress we made what the terms where the united states could make some accommodation, what terms we were flexible on, and what things we absolutely needed to see in order for the president of the united states to feel like he was getting a good deal. and so, we lay those things out. we had some good conversations. i think it was first time that you had ever seen the iranian government, the u.s. government meet at such a high level, maybe in the hills visit current leadership of iran. so that's, i think a positive. and, again, we did make some progress in the negotiation, the big question from here on out is whether the iranian also have enough flexibility, whether the iranian also accept the critical things that we need to see in order for things to get done. >> bret: well, what are the red lines? like for iran and what didn't they accept? why are we at the place we are at now? >> yeah. so back out just a little bit, bret. what the president of the united states has said, number one, iran can never have a nuclear weapon. so all of our red lines flow
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from that fundamental premise. it is one thing for the iranians to say that they/themselves are never going to have a nuclear weapon. they are willing to say that and that's good. you have to, of course, verify these things. there are two things in particular where the presidents of the united states really said we have no flexibility. we have to get to the outcome that the president said. on the first of those things. what some people call the dust, which is the enriched uranium that the iranians currently possess, we have said that we want that to come out of their country and we would like to take possession of it. now, why does that matter? that doesn't matter, of course, because they have access to that material now. that material is actually buried under ground by operation midnight hammer. if you think about this over the long haul, the president doesn't want to leave the next president or the president after that to be worrying about this program and so we would like to get that material out of the country completely so that the united states has control of it. that's number one. and the second thing is that, again, to this point about verification, it's one thing for
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the iranians to say that they're not going to have a nuclear weapon. it's another thing for us to put in place the mechanism to ensure that's not going to happen. part of that is to ensure that they don't have the ability tone rich uranium, which is how they got so close to nuclear weapon before. so, those are really the two things where, frankly, the iranians, i think, did make some progress. they moved in our directions, which is why i think we would say that we had some good signs. but, they didn't move far enough. and so what he would decided is, you know what? given that we don't think this current team and this current timeline is going to be able to make a deal, let them go back to tehran, we're going to go back to washington. and that's where we are today. >> bret: so is there a next step? are there more talks coming? do they happen in pakistan and are you leading them? >> well, it's an interesting question, bret. i think fundamental lay question best put to the iranians, because the ball really is in their court. we made clear where we are willing to be accommodating and we have made clear where we
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absolutely need to see the nuclear material come out of country of iran. now, what's interesting, bret, about this is that in the process of doing this negotiation, i do think that we acquired some knowledge about how the iranians are negotiating and this is ultimately why we left pakistan. because, what we figured out is that they were unable, i think, the team that was there, was unable to cut a deal. and they had to go back to tehran, either from the supreme leader or somebody else, and actually get approval to the terms that we had set. so, again, whether we have further conversations, whether we ultimately get to a deal, i really think the ball is in the iranian court, because we put a lot on the table. we actually made very clear what our red lines. were there we also made clear, bret, that we actually would be very happy. the president of the united states has said he would be very happy if iran was treated like a normal country. if it had a normal economy, if it's people were able to prosper
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and thrive. in order for iran to be a normal country economically, it's going to have to be normal country from the perspective of not pursuing a nuclear weapon and normal country from not pursuing terrorism there really have, i think, a grand deal to be had here. but, it's up to the iranians, i think, to take the next step. >> bret: i hear you talking about the enriched uranium and nuclear weapon and the inability for them have one in the long term. i don't hear you fully reopening the strait of hormuz toll-free is that one of the red lines? >> it's one of the things we talked about, brett we need to see the strait of hormuz fully reopen. this is where the iranians tried to move the goal post during the negotiation. we made very clear that is not acceptable. we came to the negotiations saying the united states, what we have given here is a ceasefire. we stopped bombing the country. what we expect the iranians to give up is a rereopening of the strait of hormuz. we have seen, as the president has said, some significant
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uptick in come through the strait of hormuz. it's good for the economy and the are for the united states as well. we haven't seen that full reopening that exception is that true iranians are going to continue to make progress to opening the straits of hormuz. if they don't, it's fundamentally going to change the negotiation with we have with them. >> bret: you are not surprised the iranians often talk about negotiations in a different way. the iranian foreign minister posted in intensive talks at highest level in 47 years, iran negotiated with the u.s. good faith in war. when inches away from islamabad we encountered maximallism, shifting goal post. lessons learned. goodwill begets goodwill and enmity begets enmity. that does not sound like they're headed back to the table any time soon. does the ceasefire continue and then the war starts again. >> first of all, bret, i have to give credit to the prime
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minister of pakistan. both who were incredible hosts and states men in helping mediate the conversation between us and the iranians again. two countries that have not had good discussions in a very long time 206789 your point about foreign minister arag which i's statement. he was sag e. saying we were inches away from the agreement. what that says they won. they did move pretty close tour position over the stage of the negotiations, but one thing i will say, bret, iranians are very different negotiators, at least those iranians were very different negotiators than we are in the united states. what i did and what jared kushner and steve witkoff did we made clear these are the things we are willing to give but these are the things we must have. we must have the enriched material out of iran. we must have their conclusive commitment to not develop a nuclear weapon.
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and i think that if the iranians are willing to meet us there, then this can be a very, very good dial for both countries. if they're not willing to meet us there, that's up to them. that's their decision. and really the ball is very much in their court. so you ask what happens next? i think the iranians are going to determine what happens next as the 39 of the united states says we have the cards. we have the military advantage. we now have additional economic pressure that we're applying on them through the blockade that we have imposed on their oil coming out of straits of hormuz. we have a lot of the cards. we have the leverage, and we will see what the iranians do with that. >> bret: that's how the blockade works. u.s.s. naval ships stop iranian vessels going through the strait of hormuz. >> not just iranian flagged vessels, bret, but any vessel we know is going to iranian ports or has come from iranian ports. you're probably going to see some vessels reflag themselves we will know because we have very good intelligence which ships are going in and coming out that are connected to iran.
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but, bret, here's the very interesting thing about all of this is that the only thing the iranians have been able to do they haven't, of course, beaten us militarily. they have had thirds military be disseminate. they haven't been able to prosecute the case when it comes to weapons of war, what they have done is engage in this act of economic tailor against the entire world. they basically threatened any ship that's moving through the straits of hormuz. as the president of the united states showed, go can play at that game. if the iranians are going to try to engage in economic terrorism, we're going to abide by a simple princeally no iranian ships are getting out either. we know that's a big deal to them. we know that applies additional economic leverage. again, bret, the president wants the iranian people to thrive and succeed. he has had his negotiation team put on the table a serious proposal. the ball is in iran's court did. we make progress? yes. we are going to find out from the iranians whether we can make that ultimate bit of progress that gets us to a figure deal. >> bret: the president has also said he wants this to end soon,
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as soon as it can. it is being report that you had had real skepticism about this at the beginning. and that you expressed that to the president; is that true? >> well, bret, you know, i give my advice to the president of the united states, and we all do. i expect that when i give advice to the president of the united states, that it's going to be private. because the president should rely on his senior advisers without them then running to the media. what i will say, bret, i 100 percent agree with the president on the fact that iran can't have a nuclear weapon. i have seen that just in the negotiation that we have had over the last couple of days. that these are tough negotiators buzz they're fundamentally the kinds of people where them having a nuclear weapon would impose terrible costs on the entire world. if they're willing to engage in economic terrorism on the entire world, what would it mean -- what leverage would they have if they had a nuclear bomb in tehran? that's not an outcome that is acceptable to us or really should be acceptable to anybody. so i 100 percent support the
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president's goals here to keep nuclear weapons -- to keep the worse weapons of war out of the hands of the iranians. >> bret: a few more things, mr. vice president. you say there is progress being made here and the trip to pakistan was not fruitless. , however, i'm not hearing the next step if the iranians don't do the next step. you also campaigned for viktor orban in hungary. he lost that race defeated after 16 years in power. your thoughts about whether it was worth it to go support viktor orban in that race considering he lost significantly and he is one of the only european leaders who supports vladimir putin? >> well, first of all, bret, i think that victor ar ban is a great guy. he has done a very good job. i think his legacy in hungary is transformational. 16 years fundamentally changing. one of the reasons we decided to do that, bret, not because we can't read polls. we certainly knew there was a good chance viktor would lose
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that election. is he one of the few european leaders we have seen who has been willing to stand up to the bureaucracy in brussels that has been very bad for the united states. so, for example, when you see a european sometimes the only vote to protect american interest has been viktor orban. we didn't go because we expected him to crews to an election victory. we went because we thought it was the right thing to do to stand behind a person who stood behind us for a long time it wasn't about europe and about ts about the united states that he has been a good partner to both me and the president personally but also to the united states. i'm sad that he lost. we will work very well, i'm sure with the next prime minister of hungary. it wasn't a bad trip at all. it's worth standing by people, even if you don't win every race. >> bret: mr. vice president, stand by if you would. "special report" continues with the vice president of the united states after this.
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social saying leo should be thankful because as everyone knows he was a shocking surprise. he wasn't o on any list to be pope. he was only put there because he was an american. they thought he would be good. best way to deal with president donald j. trump. if i wasn't in the white house, leo wouldn't be in the vatican. i wonder as a catholic how you consider this truth social post and they went post of the picture which a lot of people took as the president posting a picture of himself as jesus. he later said that he posted it thinking as a doctor saving people. >> i thought it of me as a doctor and had to do with red cross, a red cross worker there which we support. and only the fake news could come up with that one. >> bret: it really caused a kerfuffle, mr. vice president, i'm wondering what you make of all of this and whether it's -- what you think of this back and forth with the church. >> well, first of all, bret, i think the president was posting a joke and, of course, he took it down because he recognized that a lot of people weren't
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understanding his humor in that case. i think the president of the united states likes to mix it up on social media. and i actually think that's one of the good things about this president is that he is not filtered. he doesn't send everything through a communications professional. he actually reaches out directly to the people. when it comes to the disagreements with the vatican, look, we're going to have disagreements, bret, from time to time. i think it's a good thing, actually, that the pope is advocating for the things that he cares about. but, we're always going to have disagreements on matters of public policy or i should say sometimes we're going to have disagreements on meaforts public policy. the pope has been critical of our immigration policy. but, ultimately, the immigration policy of the united states is set by donald trump. the pope is going to have disagreements on other issues, we can respect the pope. we certainly have the good relationship with the vatican. but we're also going to disagree on substantive questions from time to time. i think that's a totally reasonable thing. it isn't particularly newsworthy. >> bret: do you think that when the president says it's hurting him very badly, going catering to the radical left, it's
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hurting the catholic church? do you agree with the president there? >> well, look, i think the president has the prerogative to set american foreign policy. he has got the prerogative to set american immigration policy. he has to look out for the interest of the united states of america and that inevitably means that when the vatican comments on issues of public policy, sometimes there is going to be agreement, of course, and sometimes there is going to be disagreement. i think that's a reasonable thing, bret, again, i don't think it's particularly newsworthy but i certainly think that in some cases it would be best for the vatican to stick to matters of morality, to stick to matters of, you know, what going on in the catholic church and let the president united states stick to dictating american public policy. but, when they are in conflict, they are in conflict. i don't worry about it too much, bret. i think it's a natural thing. i'm sure it will happen in the future and it's not that big of a thing that it happened in the past. >> bret: last thing, should the american people be ready for more increased prices,
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>> bret: up next, congressman eric swalwell calls sexual misconduct allegations leveled against him false but now plans to resign from congress, suspend his gubernatorial campaign. we'll have a live report. plus, fox news gets first access to a new raid on the home of the suspect who allegedly targeted the residence of one of the top artificial intelligence executives in the world. we'll take you there. ♪ ♪ the little pill with a big story to tell! ♪ cut! jardiance plays a role in my story, too. i have type 2 diabetes, but i manage it well...
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for mistakes in judgment i have made in my past. i will fight the serious false allegations made against me; however, i must take responsibility and ownership for the mistakes did i make. the decision comes after a bombshell report ran friday in the san francisco chronicle detailing the story of an anonymous exstaffer who claims swalwell sexually assaulted her while she was too intoxicated to give consent. since that report three additional woman spoke to cnn with sexual misconduct allegations including accusations that the congressman sent explicit text messages and nude photos in the wake of these stories, republican congresswoman anna paulina luna said she would be filing a motion to expel him and there had been growing support for the move. the house ethics committee also launched its own investigation. meanwhile the manhattan district attorney's office confirmed they're investigating some of the agencies that reportedly took place in new york urging any other victims to come forward. and it does appear that there are other victims. tomorrow, here in southern
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california, another accuser and her lawyers will be holding a press conference to describe her claims and her next legal steps, bret? >> bret: all right, max. thanks. we'll follow it also breaking tonight, fox news gets first access to an fbi raid on the home of a suspect in the attack on the residence of open ai ceo sam altman. the motive is apparently linked to aultman's work with artificial intelligence correspondent brooke taylor reports this evening from spring, texas. >> fox news was the first on the ground as fbi agents raided the home of a 20-year-old suspect accused of throwing a molotov cocktail at open ai ceo sam altman's house in san francisco. federal agents seen going through file cabinets in the garage and taking pictures of evidence. the suspect identified as daniel marino gamma. investigators say he traveled from his home in spring, texas to san francisco allegedly plotting to kill amountman. new surveillance images show him throwing the molotov cocktail
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outside aultman's house setting a gate on fire. no one was hurt. the suspect then made his way to the company's headquarters where he hurled a chair at the glass doors. police say he was holding a jug of kerosene and threatened to burn the building and kill anyone inside. san francisco police arrested him shortly after according to the criminal complaint, weighs carrying a lengthy document he wrote which listed the names and addresses of apparent board members and chief executive officers of ai companies and investors doj filed charges against marino gama today by means of explosives and possession of an unregistered firearm. he is already charged with multiple state felonies including attempted murder. aultman responded to the attack in a blog post showing a picture of his family saying, quote, normally we try to be pretty private. in this case i'm sharing a photo in the hopes that it might dissuade the next person from throwing a molotov cocktail at
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our house. no matter what they think about me gun shot fired outside of his home in san francisco. two people were arrested. but police say that the two cases are not related, bret brooke taylor in texas. thanks. the president contends the journal tarnished his reputation with an article describing a birthday board desays ceased jeffrey epstein. the judge says the president did not come close to meeting the actual malice standard that public figures must clear in defamation cases. fox news and the "wall street journal" are controlled both by the murdoch family. up next, the panel on the situation in the middle east. my interview with vice president jd vance. first, here's what some of our fox affiliates around the country are covering tonight. wsvn in miami as a 16-year-old
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boy has been charged as an adult with murder and activated sexual abuse in the death 6 his 18-year-old stepsister on auto cruise ship. hudson was initially charged as a juvenile in the killing of anna kepner. he has been allowed to live in the custody 6 an uncle. prosecutors are now challenging that fox 5 in new york man hunt for saturday's mass shooting at union, new jersey chick-fil-a. one person was killed. six others were injured. police say masked suspects stormed the restaurant around 9:00 p.m. and opened fire. this is a live look at atlanta from fox 5, our affiliate down there. one of the big stories there tonight, the conclusion of the masters. rory mcilroy became just the fourth golfer in history to win consecutive masters titles after a traumatic final round on sunday. pulled ahead with key birdies including shot on the 12th leading to a birdie. mcilroy one under 71 one shot
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victory. joined the elite company of jack nicklaus, nic and tiger woods only men to claim two masters finals. that's a look at the beltway outside of "special report." we'll be right back. ♪ it's a beautiful day ♪ those who worried about their investments and those who chose some peace of mind. smart investors hold gold.
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>> i wouldn't just say that things went wrong. i also think things went right. we made a lot of progress and i think i made clear and this is part of the progress we made what the terms where the united states could make some accommodation. what terms we were flexible on, and what things we absolutely needed to see. the big question from here on out is whether the iranians will have enough flexibility, whether the iranian also accept the critical things that we need to see in order for things to get done. >> bret: vice president jd vance earlier on the show. let's bring in our panel, start there. fox news chief political analyst brit hume, juan williams, guy benson and political white house burrow chief dasha burns. okay, brit, on iran, what did you take from the interview with the v.p. >> the emphasis on jd vance's part and explaining the outcome of this on the nuclear
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emphasizes one key point, here iran is badly battered, militarily crushed. they really don't have any cards here. other than the strait of hormuz, which we're acting on now. and they come into this negotiation absolutely refusing to give up their nuclear weapon ambitions, which was the bottom line for the president and his negotiators. if that doesn't emphasize that president trump was correct in assessing in the beginning of this iran was going for a nuclear weapon and iran could not afford. >> bret: did i not hear the next time they are getting together is hopeful but not definitive. >> harold: first, thanks for having me on. i was disappointed, brit, not in what we're doing and the success of the blockade and the fact
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that we need to disarm and ensure that the iranians don't have access to a nuclear weapon. i didn't hear a strategy though from the vice president. i thought it was curious, bret, when he said he thought that they were inches away from making an agreement. yet, he also thought that they had the wrong group in the room. that that group had to go back and get approval for those things. you know, i'm hope of that we must have an -- not hope of that we get an agreement. we have to have an agreement. he made it clear though, and i thought the most important thing he said was that no possession of nuclear weapon, all red lines flow from that but i was a little disappointed not to hear the strategy going forward. are we waiting for them? are they waiting for us? what's the next step? i know the world is awaiting. and the president, who up to this point, i think has done great job. the blockade should get more credit. i hope nato comes to our support in that effort. but the clear thing, the one thing that will make us victorious here is that we ensure that the iranians do not have uranium tone rich, to effect us or effect our allies in the region.
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>> bret: dasha, what do you think the hope is at the white house about the blockade and that it changes the dynamic? >> i think that's exactly right. i think the white house is trying to take away the leverage that iran believes it has. the leverage that it has projected onto the world. you know, the challenge and i think the vice president laid it out a little bit in the interview there, is this threshold for pain, that iran does have. this is existential for. they he took on an enormously difficult task interest these negotiations what i'm hearing from sources close to the white house is that true maximum that iran is willing to give does not meet the minimum that the united states is willing to accept. and the vice president mentioned inches. well, those can really feel like miles when you are in a room with a state that has everything, that has very little to lose compared to the united states. >> bret: yeah, guy? >> well, bret, i think that what
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we're seeing from the united states now and president trump and now our military naval blockade of iranian ports that, will have a devastating impact on iran's already battered economy and, therefore, the regime that's already in deep trouble with its people because, in part, those economic realities, it also could have a significant pain point or two for other countries. including very much the chinese, the pakistanis, the turkish government as well. general jack keane was making this pointed on my radio show earlier, those countries might, at some point, start ramping up the pressure on iran to say you better start relenting on some of these major points from the americans. that's part of the hope here as we have heard at least an indication from the president that the iranians want to talk again. but it comes back to brit's initial, most important point when you zoom out. when it's back against the wall, and its leadership largely decapitated and like next man up, some of their sites destroyed by our military, this
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is a regime that remains in plaquably and can a that the continuably committed towp a nuclear program. only underscores how insane it would be to allow that's eventuality to occur and that was the reason, that was the triggering cause to have this operation in the first place, and i think it's important to keep that in mind as we look and zoom in to also keep a broader picture of why we are doing this in the first place. >> bret: yeah, we will see if there is any movement going to another negotiation in n. islamabad or elsewhere. brit, i also asked about this back and forth with pope leo what the pope said about iran and the war, what the president posted and then this picture that got a lot of response all over the internet and trump supporters and significant ones, ari fleischer tweeted out about this picture and said inspects inappropriate. president trump's team should never have posted this image. if he saw it first, he should have never approved it it's
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inappropriate, embarrassing and often. the president said did he post it he had a different definition for it. i asked the vice president about that, and here's part of that answer. >> >> i have no [inaudible] speaking out about and that's what i believe. i am confident [inaudible] >> bret: really caused a cure kerfuffle, mr. vice president, i'm wondering what you make of. this he took it down because he recognized a lot of people weren't understanding his humor in that case. i think the president of the united states likes to mix it up on social media. we can respect the pope. we certainly have a good relationship with the vatican, but we're also going to disagree on substantive questions from time to time. i think that's a totally reasonable thing. it isn't particularly newsworthy. >> bret: brit? >> brit: well, bret, we can add
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a couple of rules politics. one of them is don't pretend to be jesus and don't get into unnecessary fight with the pope. i think the president may have a point about the pope, but, the way he expressed it, i think, was unfortunate. and the pope has, you know a world of admirers and you don't want to get on the wrong side of those. it doesn't do you any good and may do you harm. >> bret: harold? >> harold: you know, reverend billy graham had great relationships with american presidents and helped them find faith and find answers through the gospel. i think the president -- this was a bad joke and the vice president should have just said that as a catholic, the president has a way of doing these things and saying these things and we give him a lot of latitude this was just a bad futile attempt at poking fun at something, whatever it was he was trying to poke fun at. i agree with brit, don't get in the fight with a pope you are not going to win. >> bret: we will see where this goes from here. we have nor talk about. up next the eric swalwell
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members who should resign as well. it depends on if it's worded in a fair way. >> will you vote to expel eric swalwell? >> >> and congressman gonzalez, i would. let these investigations happen. >> bret: well, some news this afternoon, congressman eric swalwell resigning from his congressional seat. he also already suspended his gubernatorial run in california. we're back with the panel. dasha, we're getting late word, news that tony gonzales is retiring, he says. he just made a post on that. this all comes as the house ethics committee was looking at possibly getting expulsion for both of these folks. >> yeah. this was a question that a lot of folks had both gonzalez and swalwell stepped down from their races. but did not resign from congress. now, that they have done this, i think it is a good thing for both parties. i think both parties would have
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had a hard time sort of looking away from this and the american people are so disillusioned with congress right now that to see a bit of accountability, i think is a healthy thing for both parties. >> bret: it's a quick fall from grace, guy, for eric swalwell who said he was going to fight this for the end and wasn't dropping out and then suddenly it seemed the democratic party came out of woodwork. >> guy: that's right. at first they were coalescing in this place where they were saying he has to move on from gubernatorial ambitions but not going as far as saying he needed to resign from congress. there were rum glings in town that more shoes were going to drop on this scandal. perhaps he saw the writing on the wall and decided i'm going to get out at this point. as you mentioned on the other side of the aisle tony gonzales immersed in a scandal also heading for the exits. timeline unclear, at least on both of them for now. >> bret: yeah, put up the tony gonzales x post if you would saying that he's going to retire. this comes after an affair with
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a staffer who ended up committing suicide. the swalwell case, this case, you are looking at situations, brit, that we follow on capitol hill but in a very tight majority all of these things are going to be interesting to watch. >> i think gonzalez might have survived a few more weeks if swalwell hadn't fallen and you can track this falwell -- i mean the swalwell collapse to the democrats being pretty ruthless when they need to be in a candidate is in a race they think he or she might lose. they don't hesitate to get rid of them. witness biden and witness now swalwell. >> bret: yeah, i only have 15 seconds, harold. >> i think senator peter welch said it well: >> bret: wow, you gave me five seconds. i like that. that's pretty good. panel, thank you so much. we got a lot in there. tomorrow on "special report" congress returns with a big to-do list including home hand security
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funding, war powers and the save america act. we may actually hear directly from the iranians tomorrow. you will see that here on "special report," if we do. remember, if you can't catch us live, set your dvr 6:00 p.m. in the east, 3:00 p.m. on the west coast. you can follow me on tiktok, x and instagram at bret baier for exclusive behind the scenes content. a different kind of show tonight. thanks for inviting us into your home tonight, that's it for this "special report," fair, balanced and still unafraid. "the ingraham angle" starts in about 10 seconds. >> laura: good evening, everyone. i'm laura ingraham. this is "the ingraham angle" from washington tonight. president trump getting a special delivery from his old job. >> mcdonald's. [knocking] >> hello, nice to see you. >> nice to meet you. i have y
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